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Gabriele Svelto<p>As you probably heard animated PNG images (APNG) have been standardized! So here's a story on how I used an APNG file to cut a phone's power consumption by 10 times in a common scenario during the weeks leading up to the launch of Firefox OS 1.0. We'll talk about webpage layout, rendering, mobile hardware intricacies, driver bugs and of course APNG files. 🧵 1/16</p><p><a href="https://social.linux.pizza/@knurd42/114743763415059021" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">social.linux.pizza/@knurd42/11</span><span class="invisible">4743763415059021</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mas.to/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> <a href="https://mas.to/tags/PNG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PNG</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.coop/@netopwibby" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>netopwibby</span></a></span> OFC <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> would've been a success if people exited about it (like me) and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/developers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>developers</span></a> (like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fuchsiii</span></a></span>) were ever abke to legally obtain any device with <em>FirefoxOS</em> on it.</p><ul><li>AFAIK the only Firefox OS <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/phone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>phone</span></a> offered in the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EU</span></a> was a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SimLock" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SimLock</span></a>'d / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NetLock" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NetLock</span></a>'d <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Prepaid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prepaid</span></a> device sold in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Spain" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Spain</span></a>, where they demanded <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KYC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KYC</span></a> for the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SIM</span></a>, making it impossible to legally obtain it back then without having to fly down to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Spain" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Spain</span></a>, ID at a store, fly back and then be overcharged for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DataRoaming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DataRoaming</span></a>!</li></ul><p>IMHO, <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.cc/@Mozilla" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Mozilla</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mozilla</span></a> cannot be trusted <em>at all</em>!</p>
Progi1984<p>Ma fille a besoin d'un téléphone : c'est l'occasion de ressortir le ZTE Open C avec <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> et qui marche très bien après 9 ans. Pour du SMS et des appels, ce sera parfait.</p><p>Improbable mais vrai. Le libre, ça fonctionne et ça dure.</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>JessTheUnstill</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mamot.fr/@bohwaz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>bohwaz</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://indieweb.social/@punkfairie" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>punkfairie</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajsadauskas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ajsadauskas</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@tomiahonen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tomiahonen</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fuchsiii</span></a></span> <em>Exactly</em>...</p><p>Coincidentially, that's why <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Android</span></a> (and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/iOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>iOS</span></a>) doesn't let users have <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/root" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>root</span></a> access because billions of devices owned by mostly <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlluterates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlluterates</span></a>"</em> thathardly get <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SecurityUpdates" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SecurityUpdates</span></a> would be an even bigger risk if they didn't boot a locked-down <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ROM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ROM</span></a> image, thus only allowing for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/malware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>malware</span></a> in user-privilegued userspace!</p><ul><li>I'd even go so far that I'd wish for <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@torproject" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>torproject</span></a></span> to basically merge fmr. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KaiOS</span></a> &amp; <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://venera.social/profile/tails_live" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tails_live</span></a></span> / <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@tails" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tails</span></a></span> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tails" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tails</span></a> to build a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a>-focussed <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ROM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ROM</span></a> for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Smartphones" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Smartphones</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tablets" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tablets</span></a> i.e. <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TailsMobile" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TailsMobile</span></a>"</em> or sth.</li></ul><p>Cuz having a mobile OS that shoves everything through <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tor" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tor</span></a> and only allows <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/userspace" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>userspace</span></a>-Apps in the form modern web technologies would be a big <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/security" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>security</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/privacy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>privacy</span></a> gain.</p><ul><li>Not to mention <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/amd64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>amd64</span></a> is on it's way out and inevitably they gotta have to transition to supporting <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/arm64" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>arm64</span></a> and eventually <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RISCv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>RISCv</span></a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/64bit" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>64bit</span></a> at some point.</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mamot.fr/@bohwaz" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>bohwaz</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://indieweb.social/@punkfairie" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>punkfairie</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajsadauskas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ajsadauskas</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>JessTheUnstill</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@tomiahonen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tomiahonen</span></a></span> That's <em>exactly the problem</em>, cuz <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KaiOS</span></a> nee <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> was a good and solid basis not just for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LowEnd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LowEnd</span></a>-Devices but could've been excellent for a more <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/secure" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>secure</span></a> mobile OS, as it has good potential for <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/sandboxing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>sandboxing</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KISS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KISS</span></a>-principle'd <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Apps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Apps</span></a> that are lean and efficient.</p><ul><li>But then again when enthusiasts like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fuchsiii</span></a></span> and I were shouting <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney</span></a>!"</em> to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mozilla</span></a>, they basically <em>refused to sell</em> any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/device" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>device</span></a>, and then we get the <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PSvita" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PSvita</span></a>-Effect"</em>:</li></ul><p>Noone's gonna build an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/App" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>App</span></a> for a platform that is <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REaUzHef9h4" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">essentially a <em>rounding error</em> from the start!</a>…</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://indieweb.social/@punkfairie" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>punkfairie</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajsadauskas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ajsadauskas</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>JessTheUnstill</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@tomiahonen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tomiahonen</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fuchsiii</span></a></span> Yeah and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Symbian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Symbian</span></a> is used with cheap phones of a brand named <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Swisstone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Swisstone</span></a>.</p><p>Case in point: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KaiOS</span></a> nee <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> is now drowned in obscurity because of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mozilla</span></a> mismanagment and hamfisted approach compared to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Android</span></a>.</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajsadauskas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ajsadauskas</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>JessTheUnstill</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@tomiahonen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tomiahonen</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fuchsiii</span></a></span> Maybe had <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mozilla</span></a> actually cared they could've convinced <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Nokia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Nokia</span></a> to do <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> and we'd not have the shitty <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Duopoly" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Duopoly</span></a> of today, but as we all know the decisions were made by <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TechIlliterate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>TechIlliterate</span></a> suits that are just <em><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HornyForMoney" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HornyForMoney</span></a>"</em>…</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajsadauskas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ajsadauskas</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>JessTheUnstill</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@tomiahonen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tomiahonen</span></a></span> yes, and to <em>add insult to injury</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mozilla</span></a> didn't even wanted to sell people like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fuchsiii</span></a></span> or me a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> device, with the only one being <em>"launched"</em> in the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EU</span></a> being a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SimLock" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SimLock</span></a>'d &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NetLock" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NetLock</span></a>'d <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/prepaid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>prepaid</span></a> phone in <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Spain" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Spain</span></a> one could only attain in-store with all the <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/KYC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>KYC</span></a>"</em> nonsense they had, demanding a legal address in Spain back then.</p><ul><li>So whilst Firefox OS had the <em>most "<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/accessible" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>accessible</span></a>"</em> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Development" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Development</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/tools" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tools</span></a> (literally using <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Firefox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Firefox</span></a> for it and having <em>every <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/App" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>App</span></a></em> as <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebView" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WebView</span></a>|s / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/HTML5" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>HTML5</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/JS5" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>JS5</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/CSS3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>CSS3</span></a> files in a container), they didn't even sold <em>us</em> said devices, making it a worse flop than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/UbuntuTouch" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>UbuntuTouch</span></a> which at least still gets some devices made that support it...</li></ul><p>And <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/nerds" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>nerds</span></a> like myself are far from the <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/consoomer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>consoomer</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Normies" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Normies</span></a>"</em> for whom stuff that isn't on shelves at Staturn/MediaMarkt, BestBuy, Walmart, ... doesn't exist. I'm used to importing <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/tech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tech</span></a> that I want!</p><ul><li>Feels even more <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSGq9FQKU4" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">half-assed</a> than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MobileCoin" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MobileCoin</span></a> in hindsight…</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.vivaldi.net/@ajsadauskas" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ajsadauskas</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnstill" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>JessTheUnstill</span></a></span> also <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BlackBerry" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackBerry</span></a>'s <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PlayBook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PlayBook</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tablet" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tablet</span></a> was released as a accessory screen for their Phones, which gave it <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WiiU" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WiiU</span></a>-Effect"</em> in terms of marketing.</p><ul><li>Plus <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RIM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>RIM</span></a> relying hard on business clients and their proprietary applianced mail systems and having big carriers upsell to business people made them look outdated &amp; quite literally <em>out of touch</em> once <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/iPhone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>iPhone</span></a> went mainstream.</li></ul><p>I mean, the hardware was never their problem and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SMS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SMS</span></a>-Typists swear by their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BlackberryCurve" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackberryCurve</span></a>'s <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/keyboard" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>keyboard</span></a> but BlackBerry's <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/toolchain" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>toolchain</span></a> - just like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SymbianOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SymbianOS</span></a>'s - was just hideous to the point that devs like <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://oxytodon.com/@fuchsiii" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>fuchsiii</span></a></span> didn't even want to try making <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Apps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Apps</span></a> for those devices.</p><ul><li>Unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mozilla</span></a> fucking up <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> by refusing to sell devices to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/developers" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>developers</span></a>, by the time RIM &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Nokia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Nokia</span></a> came from their high horses, their market shares had been squeezed into mere <em>"rounding errors"</em> by <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/iOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>iOS</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Android</span></a> as it was way cheaper and easier to get <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Apps" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Apps</span></a> developed, tested, sold, bought and use them than on their devices. </li></ul><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Sony" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Sony</span></a> even released some <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Symbian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Symbian</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/S60" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>S60</span></a> devices but since they didn't have the same signing keys, one couldn't even <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/sideload" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>sideload</span></a> apps (not to mention they didn't had the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OviStore" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OviStore</span></a> on those either!)...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/UnpopularOpinion" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>UnpopularOpinion</span></a>: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> was a good <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mobile" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mobile</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OS</span></a>, but <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mozilla.social/@mozilla" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mozilla</span></a></span> kneecapped it by not selling devices for it to those that wanted it.</p><ul><li>like myself!</li></ul><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_</span><span class="invisible">OS</span></a></p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FLOSS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FLOSS</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mobile" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mobile</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Linux</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Firefox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Firefox</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Distro" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Distro</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Smartphone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Smartphone</span></a></p>
Simon D. ⏚<p>My dreams for <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mozilla</span></a> :</p><p>A lightweight Firefox edition (in the spirit of XFCE and MX Linux, 100% written in Rust). That was Firefox back in 2004.</p><p>- Built-in Multi-account container addon on a window base (new window, new container).<br>- Built-in Temporary containers addon.<br>- Built-in LocalCDN addon.</p><p>Mobile <a href="https://mamot.fr/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> / boot2gecko back. We need open hardware and free softwares in our pockets.</p><p>Mozilla crawled, ad-free, web search engine (this has proven useful while cryptocurrencies nor AI did).</p>
Baessito :Ryyca:☭🇧🇷🇺🇳🇵🇸<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/@TheRealPomax" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>TheRealPomax</span></a></span> totally<br> agree. A translation from my post:</p><p>Mozilla will discontinue its instance of <a href="https://ursal.zone/tags/mastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mastodon</span></a> here at <a href="https://ursal.zone/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fediverse</span></a> in December.</p><p>For the charities. From <a href="https://ursal.zone/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a>, maybe even before, the <a href="https://ursal.zone/tags/Mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mozilla</span></a> foundation seems too erratic. You cannot maintain an important decision that needs time to settle down for more than 1 or 2 years. Ai goes gives up and wastes everything that was done and invested And I speak as ex <a href="https://ursal.zone/tags/mozillian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mozillian</span></a> (their volunteer).</p><p>I still believe in the importance and work they do. But they could be reaping much better and incredible fruits if they were making better decisions. It's a shame, we're all the losers.</p><p><a href="https://ursal.zone/@pbaesse/113157516968958798" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">ursal.zone/@pbaesse/1131575169</span><span class="invisible">68958798</span></a></p><p> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>davidrevoy</span></a></span></p>
fenix<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hostux.social/@andros" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>andros</span></a></span> ah... una <a href="https://masto.nobigtech.es/tags/mobile" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mobile</span></a> <a href="https://masto.nobigtech.es/tags/firefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>firefoxOS</span></a> ? retrospectiva, por lo que recuerdo... alguien puso en mano un prototipo de ello en la palma de mi mano.</p><p>Entonces parecía un sueño... los estándares de la Web, su quintaesencia .... , corporeizandonse en un teléfono móvil , era allá el 2014 ... umh, luego, creo que Telefónica ( Móviles ) invirtió ahí ... nomás sé.</p><p>Fue bonito mientras duró...</p><p>PS : " La vida es sueño..."<br>.- calderón de la barca</p>
echonull<p>Back in the day, I felt Firefox OS was brilliant, way ahead of its time, and abandoned far too soon. But now a rebirth has happened thanks to <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@capyloon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>capyloon</span></a></span> and it looks exciting. Exciting enough that I might have to see if I can contribute. Check it out.</p><p><a href="https://capyloon.org/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">capyloon.org/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/firefoxos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>firefoxos</span></a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/FirefoxOSFork" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOSFork</span></a></p>
ralf tauscher :FreiburgSocial:<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://bitbang.social/@billgoats" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>billgoats</span></a></span> same with <a href="https://freiburg.social/tags/firefoxos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>firefoxos</span></a></p>
Daniel Appelquist<p>Came into the office in my <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> hoodie. Some engineers asked me “what was Firefox OS?” Oh boy. Let me tell you a story.</p>
Aral Balkan<p>Imagine if Mozilla were what it says it is and had released Firefox OS under GPL…</p><p>Instead, they did the research and development (with some of your money, if you donate to them) for a third-party company to come and close it off in a commercial product. Oh and for their patron, Google, to invest $20 million on top to create closed “smart feature phones” to farm the data of the &lt;strike&gt;poors&lt;/strike&gt; “next five billion.”</p><p>*golf claps*</p><p><a href="https://tuxphones.com/smart-feature-phones-revolution-kai-os/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">tuxphones.com/smart-feature-ph</span><span class="invisible">ones-revolution-kai-os/</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/kaiOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>kaiOS</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/firefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>firefoxOS</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/mozilla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mozilla</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.ar.al/tags/bigTech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bigTech</span></a></p>
Rob C<p>going through some old boxes, found this gem. <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/firefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>firefoxOS</span></a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/b2g" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>b2g</span></a></p>
𝔰𝔥𝔦𝔟𝔠𝔬<p>On the corporate side, there's KaiOS -- a fork of FirefoxOS that was successful almost the moment it was sunsetted at Mozilla. In my opinion, the decision to cancel <a href="https://post.lurk.org/tags/FirefoxOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FirefoxOS</span></a> remains among the worst mistakes at the company -- a blunder so severe its true effects may take decades to fully understand.</p><p>Even in the immediate term, KaiOS is now <a href="https://post.lurk.org/tags/India" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>India</span></a>'s second largest mobile OS. In 2020, Mozilla had to negotiate a partnership with KaiOS to bring the modern Gecko browser engine to the platform. At the same time, the Gecko renderer remains completely banned on all iOS devices, and Google uses its market dominance to gently suppress Firefox by running pro-Chrome ads in Youtube -- a company Mozilla Foundation has invested campaign money into "fixing." </p><p>Utterly humiliating. What is going on at Mozilla and why is none of this taken into consideration?</p><p><a href="https://www.kaiostech.com" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="">kaiostech.com</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>