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Paco Hope #resistAnybody ever had problems with an <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/iphone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iphone</a> and <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> on a <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/selfhosted" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#selfhosted</a> <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#email</a> server? Feel free to boost for fun.I was just helping my wife and her mail app (iPhone 13, iOS 18.3.2) would just spin saying “connecting”. I’m standing next to her, with my iPhone 13 Pro, iOS 18.3.2 and I’m on the same WiFi checking email on the same server just fine. I tried a bunch of things. Rebooting, using cellular data instead of WiFi, closing the mail app and opening it again. Nothing fixed it. The root cause seems to have been low power mode. Her battery was low; so the phone was in low power mode. I plugged it in, took it out of low power mode, and poof! Mail connects just fine. This is reproducible. If I go to low power mode and pull down on the screen to try to fetch, no imap. It just spins saying “connecting.” Come out of low power mode, imap is fine and fast. One thing we both do that is not the default is fetch email. The default is to push, and the phone polls quite often. I figure that’s a waste of battery, so we have ours set to fetch every 30 minutes. I’m a bit of a nut, so there are probably LOTS of other things that are not the default. Anybody have any ideas?I’m sure all of us have used low power mode before, and I’m fairly sure I’ve checked email under low power mode. I’ve never seen this before. <a href="https://infosec.exchange/tags/selfhosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#selfhosting</a>

Dave🌱<a href="https://toot.wales/@ndw" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@ndw</a> I've been a happy customer of <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/Fastmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Fastmail</a> (they're on Mastodon, too: <a href="https://mastodon.social/@fastmail" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fastmail</a>) since January 2018, and can comfortably recommend them if you're looking for a solid email host. They're based in <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/Australia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Australia</a>, and have full support for <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a>, <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/CalDAV" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CalDAV</a>, <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/CardDAV" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CardDAV</a>, as-well as <a href="https://bitbang.social/tags/JMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#JMAP</a> if your tool(s) supports that. I like that they only do email and do it well. No ever-expanding product suite of tools I don't really need, nor any confusion on who the customer is. Nice and straight-forward :).

🆘Bill Cole 🇺🇦What an unfortunate name…STARTTLS has the innate issue that it is an upgrade of a plaintext session. Anything before TLS initiation can be sniffed off the wire. Unavoidable given the *purpose* of STARTTLS. It allows TLS to be used without dedicating a port to it. It is the ONLY way that mail *transit* is encrypted. *Nothing* there justifies non-support of STARTTLS. The rest of the issues there are old & implementation-specific.<a href="https://toad.social/tags/email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#email</a> <a href="https://toad.social/tags/TLS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#TLS</a> <a href="https://toad.social/tags/InfoSec" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#InfoSec</a> <a href="https://toad.social/tags/SMTP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SMTP</a> <a href="https://toad.social/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> <a href="https://mendeddrum.org/@fanf/114052544769710083" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://mendeddrum.org/@fanf/114052544769710083</a>

🆘Bill Cole 🇺🇦<a href="https://toad.social/tags/Google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Google</a>'s form of "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish." They want standalone MUAs gone. So does MS and so does Yahoo. If you use a standard protocol like <a href="https://toad.social/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> which has no owner, you break their business model for email, which is tracking & advertising-based. So they have each done violence to IMAP in their implementations such that a serious email user MUST occasionally go through their web interface, even if only to authenticate for an OAUTH2 token. And a few cookies... <a href="https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/113676265257573448" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://social.vmbrasseur.com/@vmbrasseur/113676265257573448</a>

VM (Vicky) BrasseurGoogle's <a href="https://social.vmbrasseur.com/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> implementation is such rubbish.I keep forgetting until the next time I work somewhere that uses Google Workplace (or whatever they're calling it today), then I'm disappointed all over again.Standards? Bah! We don’ need no stinkin' standards.

Pasquale 📷 🇫🇷 🦻Chers <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/mastonautes" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mastonautes</a> Quelqu'une aurait-il des informations sur les impacts environnements du <a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/POP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#POP</a> et l'<a href="https://piaille.fr/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> ? J'ai beau cherché, je ne trouve pas. Je suis preneur de toute info sur le sujet.Bisous

Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)Weird thing just happened when checking my work <a href="https://mas.to/tags/GMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GMail</a> account using a regular (not GMail) <a href="https://mas.to/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> client on my phone. I have a whole bunch of mail rules and folders. When I checked one of the folders, a load of messages from Google Alerts were immediately visible. Then all the other messages not from <a href="https://mas.to/tags/Google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Google</a> slowly loaded and filled in, in between. That would only happen if GMail was handling mail delivery differently for its own messages to email messages from other mail providers, right? 🤔

Sam ClementeAnd less than a day after sharing my <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/productivity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#productivity</a> ecosystem it’s changed a bit, now I’m trying out <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/CanaryMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#CanaryMail</a>The nice thing about <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/iCloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iCloud</a> syncing, the iCloud interoperability between <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/Apple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Apple</a>’s platforms and <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/Windows" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Windows</a>, and <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/OpenProtocols" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenProtocols</a> like <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/SMTP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SMTP</a> and <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> is that they make a switch like this trivial, which greatly benefits usersThat’s the nice thing about the <a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/OpenWeb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenWeb</a><a href="https://allthingstech.social/tags/Technology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Technology</a>

Colin Cogle :verified:Did you know that Apple iOS doesn't support IMAP IDLE? macOS does, but not iOS. iOS only fetches from your server a few times per hour. I’d periodically open the Mail app to watch it fetch new email. Lame. What if one of those had been important?Did you also know there’s a plug-in for the Dovecot IMAP server that will send an Apple push notification every time you get a new email, triggering an immediate fetch? Apple uses this to add that Exchange-like magic to iCloud’s IMAP servers, but someone made their own open-source implementation.I tried setting it all up, but after running into problems with the documentation, I decided it was time to blog about it, so that you can do it, too. <a href="https://colincogle.name/push" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://colincogle.name/push</a><a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/SelfHosted" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SelfHosted</a> <a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/SelfHosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#SelfHosting</a> <a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/Dovecot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Dovecot</a> <a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> <a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/Apple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Apple</a> <a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/iOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iOS</a> <a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/iPadOS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iPadOS</a> <a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/iPhone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iPhone</a> <a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/iPad" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#iPad</a> <a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/xapsd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xapsd</a> <a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/XAPPLEPUSHSERVICE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XAPPLEPUSHSERVICE</a> <a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/APNs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#APNs</a> <a href="https://mastodon.colincogle.name/tags/email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#email</a>

The_Boy_With_The_Bicycle<a class="u-url mention" href="https://io.mwl.io/@mwl" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mwl</a> I know you need to make choices in your books, but the email book’s blunt injunction to drop POP3 and use IMAP seems like a bad one. The security complaints I’ve read about POP3 are almost all more appropriate for institutions trying to secure the content of their users’ email. I suspect most of your readers are more concerned about keeping their emails secure FROM institutions. I am.POP3 lets me remove my emails from a server, yet keep them locally. I believe my emails are more secure than if I left them on a server that I don’t have physical or ultimate control over.Client programs like Thunderbird solve the multi-computer use issue painlessly. Messages stay on my server until I download them to my home computer and delete them from the server.<a class="hashtag" href="https://akkomane.social/tag/email" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#email</a> <a class="hashtag" href="https://akkomane.social/tag/pop3" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#pop3</a> <a class="hashtag" href="https://akkomane.social/tag/imap" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#imap</a>

Radio AzureusA great refresher on using email clients over web & thus power hungry browser interfaces by the Mozilla Thunderbird people <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Linux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/freeBSD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#freeBSD</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/netBSD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#netBSD</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/openBSD" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#openBSD</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/UUCP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#UUCP</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/POP3" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#POP3</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#OpenSource</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/POSIX" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#POSIX</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/programming" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#programming</a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/UA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#UA</a> <a href="https://blog.thunderbird.net/2024/09/why-use-a-mail-client-vs-webmail/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://blog.thunderbird.net/2024/09/why-use-a-mail-client-vs-webmail/</a>

Phocque :fedora:Mail program should ideally: - support several email accounts - support for <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/imap" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#imap</a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/caldav" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#caldav</a> - support <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/GPG" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GPG</a> - be customizable or at least offer different skins

Adam ♿What do you use for backing up <a href="https://aus.social/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> (specifically, IMAP4) and keeping that backup up to date? <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Maildir" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Maildir</a> or <a href="https://aus.social/tags/mbox" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#mbox</a> format preferred, in that order.

Just a BillWhy does the Apple Mail app have such a hard time working with my workplace Gmail imap account? Once again, this morning I opened Mail to see that the newest message in my inbox was 2 months old (not the case last night) and the activity window showed about 2,000 messages being downloaded, slowly. I’ve already reduced the number of messages and imap folders to be synched, which means I’m already forced to use Gmail in a browser for searches. Should I give up on Mail? <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/macos" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#macos</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/gmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gmail</a> <a href="https://universeodon.com/tags/imap" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#imap</a>

SnailHey friends. Recommend me a simple, competent, email client for Windows that supports multiple IMAP accounts.TBH I was happy with Windows Mail but New Outlook wants to store all my non-MS emails in the MS-Cloud and I'm not having that.I used to use <a href="https://mastodon.online/@thunderbird" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@thunderbird</a> way back - is that safe from the AI craze?<a href="https://mstdn.crmbl.uk/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> <a href="https://mstdn.crmbl.uk/tags/email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#email</a> <a href="https://mstdn.crmbl.uk/tags/emailClient" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#emailClient</a>

Suran<a href="https://toot.cat/tags/Google" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Google</a> is turning <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/GMail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#GMail</a> from an Email provider into a website. No more access via standard email protocols such as <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> and <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/POP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#POP</a> The final stage of <a href="https://toot.cat/tags/enshittification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#enshittification</a> . Locking the users in.I wonder how they want to get rid of SMTP as stated in the support posting. I guess this means outgoing SMTP to forward mail to a real email server.I guess without relaying I won't ever receive any notifications Google services send to me again as I don't use the Gmail website. I host my own Email server for many years, thank you. Timeline for transitionSummer of 2024:If you (or your users) try to connect to a less secure app for the first time, you will not be able to. This restriction includes third-party apps that still use basic authentication, such as CalDAV, CardDAV, IMAP, SMTP, and POP, to access Gmail, Google Calendar, and Contacts. If you’re not trying to connect for the first time, you will be able to continue using the apps until they’re turned off. In the Google Admin console, you will not be able to access the turn on and off setting for less secure apps. Users will not be able to turn IMAP on or off in their Gmail settings.<a href="https://support.google.com/a/answer/14114704?hl=en&sjid=8073259250606890309-EU" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://support.google.com/a/answer/14114704?hl=en&sjid=8073259250606890309-EU</a>

Anders ThoressonIsn’t <a href="https://thoresson.social/tags/threads" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#threads</a> vs <a href="https://thoresson.social/tags/activitypub" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#activitypub</a> similar to <a href="https://thoresson.social/tags/gmail" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gmail</a> vs the email stack (<a href="https://thoresson.social/tags/imap" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#imap</a> / <a href="https://thoresson.social/tags/smtp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#smtp</a> / etc)?

Boiling SteamOpen Source Email Pioneer Roundcube Joins the Nextcloud Family: <a href="https://nextcloud.com/blog/open-source-email-pioneer-roundcube-comes-aboard-nextcloud/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://nextcloud.com/blog/open-source-email-pioneer-roundcube-comes-aboard-nextcloud/</a> <a href="https://mastodon.cloud/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#linux</a> <a href="https://mastodon.cloud/tags/update" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#update</a> <a href="https://mastodon.cloud/tags/foss" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#foss</a> <a href="https://mastodon.cloud/tags/nextcloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#nextcloud</a> <a href="https://mastodon.cloud/tags/imap" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#imap</a> <a href="https://mastodon.cloud/tags/email" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#email</a> <a href="https://mastodon.cloud/tags/roundcube" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#roundcube</a>

Jeff Fortin T.<a href="https://fosstodon.org/@hergertme" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@hergertme</a> I am intrigued by your mention of <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Dovecot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Dovecot</a>, because I was not aware of it / <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> being able to delay/schedule-send emails, and my research hasn't found something conclusive there. Do you have a link to something you might have found that I overlooked?Otherwise, on the server side, <a href="https://mastodon.social/@fastmail" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@fastmail</a>'s <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/JMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#JMAP</a> may help, from what I had gathered in this comment: <a href="https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/411#note_1590151" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution/-/issues/411#note_1590151</a>

heise SecurityMicrosoft krallt sich Zugangsdaten: Achtung vor dem neuen OutlookDas neue kostenlose Outlook ersetzt Mail in Windows, geplant aber auch das klassische Outlook. Es schickt geheime Zugangsdaten an Microsoft.<a href="https://www.heise.de/news/Microsoft-krallt-sich-Zugangsdaten-Achtung-vorm-neuen-Outlook-9357691.html?wt_mc=sm.red.ho.mastodon.mastodon.md_beitraege.md_beitraege" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank">https://www.heise.de/news/Microsoft-krallt-sich-Zugangsdaten-Achtung-vorm-neuen-Outlook-9357691.html?wt_mc=sm.red.ho.mastodon.mastodon.md_beitraege.md_beitraege</a><a href="https://social.heise.de/tags/Datenklau" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Datenklau</a> <a href="https://social.heise.de/tags/IMAP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#IMAP</a> <a href="https://social.heise.de/tags/Microsoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Microsoft</a> <a href="https://social.heise.de/tags/MicrosoftOutlook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#MicrosoftOutlook</a> <a href="https://social.heise.de/tags/Security" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Security</a> <a href="https://social.heise.de/tags/news" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#news</a>

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