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ADMIN magazine<p>From this week's ADMIN Update newsletter: Andreas Stolzenberger looks at self-hosted chat servers Zulip, Mattermost, and Rocket.Chat<br><a href="https://www.admin-magazine.com/Archive/2025/86/Zulip-Mattermost-and-Rocket.Chat?utm_source=mlm" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">admin-magazine.com/Archive/202</span><span class="invisible">5/86/Zulip-Mattermost-and-Rocket.Chat?utm_source=mlm</span></a><br><a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/ChatServer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>ChatServer</span></a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/security" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>security</span></a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/Mattermost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Mattermost</span></a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/RocketChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>RocketChat</span></a> <a href="https://hachyderm.io/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OpenSource</span></a></p>
Hans-Cees 🌳🌳🤢🦋🐈🐈🍋🍋🐝🐜<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@tshepang" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>tshepang</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@zulip" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>zulip</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mas.to/@alternativeto" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>alternativeto</span></a></span> <a href="https://ieji.de/tags/teams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>teams</span></a> alternative <a href="https://ieji.de/tags/zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>zulip</span></a> is easy to try-out <br><a href="https://ieji.de/tags/microsoft" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>microsoft</span></a> <a href="https://ieji.de/tags/openSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>openSource</span></a> <a href="https://ieji.de/tags/euroCloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>euroCloud</span></a> <a href="https://ieji.de/tags/Nextcloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Nextcloud</span></a></p>
Hans-Cees 🌳🌳🤢🦋🐈🐈🍋🍋🐝🐜<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://fosstodon.org/@zulip" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>zulip</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mas.to/@alternativeto" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>alternativeto</span></a></span> <a href="https://ieji.de/tags/zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>zulip</span></a> is an alternative for <a href="https://ieji.de/tags/slack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>slack</span></a> or <a href="https://ieji.de/tags/teams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>teams</span></a> <br><a href="https://ieji.de/tags/IKnewThat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IKnewThat</span></a> <br>I don't know where zulip is based though and if you can run it in your own Iaas stack</p>
F-Droid<p>This week in <a href="https://floss.social/tags/FDroid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>FDroid</span></a> (TWIF) is live:</p><p>* F-Droid 1.23.0 is now enabled for all, just update!<br>* Categories galore, 3 now, 20 in total soon!<br>* Dive into Android development<br>* More lists of best apps by <a href="https://floss.social/tags/izoatetech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>izoatetech</span></a> <br>* Skip <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Gadgetbridge" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Gadgetbridge</span></a> for some devices<br>* Old <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Element" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Element</span></a> <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Matrix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Matrix</span></a> fixes a CVE<br>* <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a> now in <a href="https://floss.social/tags/Flutter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Flutter</span></a><br>+ 6 new apps<br>&amp; 138 more updates</p><p>Scroll by: <a href="https://f-droid.org/2025/06/26/twif.html" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">f-droid.org/2025/06/26/twif.ht</span><span class="invisible">ml</span></a></p>
Jens Bannmann<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@mikebroberts" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>mikebroberts</span></a></span> <br>I don't get why <a href="https://nerdculture.de/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a> is not used more often in "forums", for support work and for general community building. IMO, it's got modern UI and it's purpose-built to organize communities and help with asynchronous communication that can be searched later. Plus, it's entirely free and open source software and there are both self hosting and paid hosting options.</p><p>No other solution I know comes close, especially not the ones that focus on <a href="https://nerdculture.de/tags/VoiceChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>VoiceChat</span></a> or try to mimic <a href="https://nerdculture.de/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Discord</span></a>, e.g. <a href="https://nerdculture.de/tags/Revolt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Revolt</span></a>.</p>
kazé<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mamot.fr/@vjousse" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>vjousse</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://piaille.fr/@ergol" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>ergol</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mamot.fr/@ploum" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>ploum</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.zaclys.com/@zaclys" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>zaclys</span></a></span> <br>On a donc regardé des alternatives aux forums/ML/newsgroup/etc.</p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.cloud/@geobabbler" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>geobabbler</span></a></span> nous a fait découvrir <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a>, et perso je suis complètement fan : ça impose de créer un nouveau sujet pour démarrer une discussion, comme sur un forum/ML/newsgroup, tout en gardant le côté temps réel. Pour du smalltalk c’est nul, mais c’est le job de Discord/Matrix/XMPP ça.</p><p>Sinon il y a <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Discourse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Discourse</span></a>, si on veut une alternative plus « lente ».</p><p>3/n</p>
unfa🇺🇦<p>it seems the landing page is up now.<br>I have been thinking about migrating to Zulip, and dropping self-hosting for that. We'd only be self-hosting Matterbridge to bind the proprietary and FOSS chats together.<br><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a> is very FOSS-friendly and would probably sponsor us with free premium hosting. We'd no longer need to care about updating the server and the like.<br>But it of course would require everybody who used Rocket.Chat to make a new account there.<br>Anybody has thoughts?</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>discord</span></a> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LhiCP8AQWs" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><em>IS LITERALLY THE PROBLEM!</em></a></p><ul><li><p>It's worse than any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IRC" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IRC</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Mumble" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Mumble</span></a> or even the old <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/TeamSpeak" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>TeamSpeak</span></a> &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Skype" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Skype</span></a> for that matter.</p></li><li><p>It combines the disadvantages of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Forum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Forum</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/paywalled" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>paywalled</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>documentation</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/chat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>chat</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/voicechat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>voicechat</span></a> with 0 redeeming qualities (unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a> &amp; Mumble &amp; <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a>+<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/OMEMO" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>OMEMO</span></a>) it's just an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/InformationBlackhole" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>InformationBlackhole</span></a>!</p></li></ul><p>I'm shure fecking <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/dread" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>dread</span></a> has better moderation and I'd rather use <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MicrosoftTeams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>MicrosoftTeams</span></a> + <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Slack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Slack</span></a> cuz those at least have proper <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/moderation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>moderation</span></a> tools.</p><ul><li>And I'd rather subscribe to the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LKML" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>LKML</span></a> and see my inbox getting hosed than using any shitty <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SaaS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SaaS</span></a>!</li></ul><p>Case in point: I'd rather <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SelfHost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>SelfHost</span></a> all my comms infrastructure than to ever use something like Discord or any other <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/GDPR" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>GDPR</span></a>-violating SaaS that is just enshittification.</p><p>I'd rather recommend people to instead choose a tool that does <em>everything but horrible</em> to go with multiple <em>smaller &amp; good tools</em></p><ul><li>Public Chat? IRC!</li><li>Group Voicechat? Mumble.</li><li><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Documentation" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Documentation</span></a>? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/mkDocs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>mkDocs</span></a>-material.</li><li>1:1 Chats? XMPP+OMEMO.</li><li>E2EE Group Chats? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/deltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>deltaChat</span></a>.</li><li>E2EE Calls? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WebCall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>WebCall</span></a>.</li><li>Filehosting? <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/IPFS" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>IPFS</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BitTorrent" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>BitTorrent</span></a>, oshi.at, etc. ...</li><li>…</li></ul><p>Check <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mas.to/@alternativeto" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>alternativeto</span></a></span> and <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@european_alternatives" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>european_alternatives</span></a></span> for options.</p>
thecedarprince<p>BlueSky folks! I run a <a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a> server for some maths &amp; public health <a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/research" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>research</span></a> collaborators + mentees. 🤓🧪</p><p>Anyone interested in designing a logo and/or banner for the server? I could probably only pay b/w 25 - 50 USD.</p><p>I'd love to highlight original, non-AI artwork. 🎨</p><p><a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/artcommissions" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>artcommissions</span></a> <a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/academicsky" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>academicsky</span></a></p>
thecedarprince<p>BlueSky folks! I run a <a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a> server for some maths &amp; public health <a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/research" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>research</span></a> collaborators + mentees. 🤓🧪</p><p>Anyone interested in designing a logo and/or banner for the server? I could probably only pay b/w 25 - 50 USD.</p><p>I'd love to highlight original, non-AI artwork. 🎨</p><p><a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/artcommissions" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>artcommissions</span></a> <a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/academicsky" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>academicsky</span></a></p>
thecedarprince<p>BlueSky folks! I run a <a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a> server for some maths &amp; public health <a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/research" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>research</span></a> collaborators + mentees. 🤓🧪</p><p>Anyone interested in designing a logo and/or banner for the server? I could probably only pay b/w 25 - 50 USD.</p><p>I'd love to highlight original, non-AI artwork. 🎨</p><p><a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/artcommissions" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>artcommissions</span></a> <a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/academicsky" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>academicsky</span></a></p>
thecedarprince<p>BlueSky folks! I run a <a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a> server for some maths &amp; public health <a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/research" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>research</span></a> collaborators + mentees. 🤓🧪</p><p>Anyone interested in designing a logo and/or banner for the server? I could probably only pay b/w 25 - 50 USD.</p><p>I'd love to highlight original, non-AI artwork. 🎨</p><p><a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/artcommissions" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>artcommissions</span></a> <a href="https://beta.argyle.social/tags/academicsky" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>academicsky</span></a></p>
Carl<p>Howdy Fediverse - I'm looking for some folks I can discuss running an online community using <a href="https://kind.social/tags/zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>zulip</span></a> instead of <a href="https://kind.social/tags/slack" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>slack</span></a> or <a href="https://kind.social/tags/discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>discord</span></a> and what their experiences have been. Is anyone around willing to share their experiences so I can help improve the <a href="https://kind.social/tags/linux" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>linux</span></a> on <a href="https://kind.social/tags/riscv" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>riscv</span></a> community experience?</p>
Andreas Bulling<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@dangoodin" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">@<span>dangoodin</span></a></span> I can most highly recommend <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>zulip</span></a> </p><p><a href="https://zulip.com/" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">zulip.com/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/oss" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>oss</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/opensource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank">#<span>opensource</span></a></p>

Hey! I am moving #Liblast community towards new chat platform:

Zulip.

So all Liblastians - join in!

➡️ liblast.zulipchat.com/ ⬅️

I don't want to push people towards Discord or other proprietary platforms with dubious ToS's. Also Rocket.Chat (that we used previously) has become a burden and the company has been paywalling features for self-hosted users like us.

Contrast that with #Zulip that has sponsored us with premium free hosting, because we're a FOSS project :)

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I'm testing Zulip as a possible hub for the Liblast community:

liblast.zulipchat.com/join/fbi

Feel free to join and test with me :)

Why Zulip and not... Discord?
Because Discord is... ugh. Not a good platform for productivity or privacy.
Also we couldn't ever self-host a Discord server, and it puts limits on us unless we pay.

Zulip on the other hand is happy to sponsor FOSS projects like Liblast, and they have granted us a sponsorship - free hosting.

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#Liblast#Zulip#Game